Hey guys I am new to 3d printers and haven’t grind the answer yet to my question. I am looking at the Lulzbot printer. After looking at reviews, I still haven’t figured out what it means by minimum microns… I want to print out some parts in 1/87 scale but don’t know if it will print the details I need. Thanks

Hi there!

Microns refer to the layer height. As you will have found out already FFF or FDM printers like the Lulzbot print objects in layers.

Microns are one thousand of a millimeter and are one millionth of a meter.

100-200 micron are most common for 3d printers as those layer heights work best with the average nozzle size and necessary material flow.

You are limited to a certain printing speed and if you decrease the layer height you will increase the time, that the plastic is sitting in the heated area. If you go too slow or print too thin layers the plastic (depending on the chemical structure) can boil in the heater and will cause a variety of problems.

For high detailed parts you should look towards the Form 1 printers, they print by curing a resin with a very thin laser.

What exactly are you building in 1/87 scale ?

Depending on the amount of prints needed it would be more costefficient to order your parts via 3dHubs, you can also check out a variety of printing methods and machines by looking around the hubs and looking at their uploaded pictures.

Maybe someone with a lulzbot printer is in your area, you might be able to visit him/her to check out the machine.

Cheers,

Marius Breuer

Don’t be blinded by the “microns” specs. They are probably the least of your worries. Focus on the extruder, heated bed, build volume, supported materials, leveling procedures, etc etc. - If you don’t need a massive build volume, the Lulzbot Mini is an EXCELLENT choice! Not only the device itself is great (especially with auto leveling and cleaning): the support team of Lulzbut makes it one of the best maker-products I bought last year.

Thank you

Thank you for the info. I have an HO scale model railroad. I’m looking to add on to my small business by offering 3d products. I would like to be able to print out traffic signals for one thing. I would also like to be able to print out things like boat trailers as well. I may find someone to print them for me to see if it can be done

I did some printing for the HO scale model railroad for my dad (http://modeltreinbaan.nl). Although it is a big help to use the models as the base, it needs a lot of preproduction to make it look ‘real’.

I have a small business making model railroad graphics. I’m also starting to sell led products. I’m wondering if it’s possible to print this type traffic light
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Of course the yellow shell and three translucent lenses can be printed if you have a model. With an FDM printer, you would probably want to experiment with epoxy or paint to make a realistic smooth surface.

The lenses are not a problem at all. This would have to be made in 2 pieces do that I can install the LEDs and then glue the 2 pieces together

What would be the size of the yellow box (length x width x height)?

Approximately .08x.12x.44. If I supplied you with a drawing of what I need would you consider trying to print it?

What thickness on the hoods on the stop light do you hope to achieve? The thinnest wall in your model will probably be the main factor that rules out certain printing technologies.

.02 would be great but if it had to be thicker it’s no big deal…I about to look for a 3d program so that I can try to draw this up

Give Fusion 360 a try.

First of all, don’t buy based on specs, buy based only on your experience. If you don’t have first-hand 3d printer experience, get some any way you can, through a library fablab, a CNC build club, a meetup, a hackerspace or makerspace, or anyone you can find through 3dhubs, for instance.

Second, scale and level of detail don’t have anything to do with each other, and the quality of good small details varies a lot based on many variables, but … you want to print things at HO scale which suggests you’re doing trains or small model trucks, dioramas, things like that. I don’t think you’re going to get the kind of detail that will make you happy for very small things like a human figure at that scale, but you might get a boxcar to come out ok, or a brick cottage, things like that. Check out resin-based printers, there are some that are quite tiny (under 2" build area, some of them) but are inexpensive and produce cleaner models with more detail. The liquid used in them (resin) costs about $80 a liter/quart, though. Order some test prints from printers you want to consider as a start, and see how they turn out.

Third, the “minimum microns” probably refers to minimum layer height, the easiest axis to get the illusion of microdetail. It mostly means that there is a minimum elevation change between layers, otherwise the print head can’t lay down another bead of melted plastic on previous layers. Smaller layer height means longer print times for a given size print, keep in mind.

Lulzbot is great, and the Lulzbot mini might be perfect for you … but only if the quality of prints it generates is going to make you happy.

Try different materials, and consider trying to get some made with sculptable filament http://3dprintnews.co/2016/01/sculptable-3d-printing-filament/ which can be smoothed and stippled, textured, carved, after printing. It can be a game-changer for organic-looking prints.

1/87 scale traffic signals and boat trailers are both likely to be unacceptable (quality) printed from any filament-based 3d printer. The nozzle is going to be around .35 mm, and that diameter of melted plastic is just too big to capture details like a stoplight at that scale.

Investigate resin-based printers, there are some in the $150-300 range now, or at least being pitched on Kickstarter, that would make tiny parts like that with some chance of meeting the kind of quality you would need to make marketable parts. Then again, once those printers are on the scene, expect a lot of competition. The window of opportunity to make easy money from something like that is somewhere between closing quickly and already closed.

.02 whats? Inches? Still too tiny.

You need a model, that was mentioned and that means a CAD model, a 3D CAD model. You might be able to find one already on Thingiverse. Download that, then upload it to a 3Dhubs printer or one of the big 3d printing sites. Buy a couple … you’re going to find mostly disappointment with things that are that tiny. Can be done on professional machines, not so much on prosumer machines that use any sort of filament.

Or OnShape … OnShape is free with up to 10 private parts in the cloud, unlimited free parts, and it’s totally cloud based and runs in a browser, yet is quite powerful, similar to SolidWorks.

Wow, thanks lot for the information. Printing figures is one of the things I would like to be able to do as well. From what your saying then, I would need a resin based printer to make people. Thanks again

Great, thank you very much